From: Larry Tighe (larryradio@worldnet.att.net)
Date: Fri Apr 15 2005 - 20:10:58 PDT
Howdy again,
Gov't operated acft....including local gov't....don't have to be FAA type
accepted thus a police dept. can operate a Huey...or OH-6 or OH-58. Those
acf't are different from their civil appearing versions....example, the UH-1
has the tail rotor on the opposite side of the vertical stabilizer than the
civil version.
The mil tail rotor on an OH-6 is a different blade than the Hughes 369
similar appearing civil cousin....they're interchangeable BUT...if you get
caught with a mil tail rotor blade on a 369, you lose the type acceptance
and can't pass the annual inspection!!!
And, as I remember, you don't even need to be a licensed pilot to fly gov't
owned/operated acf't. It's a very different world.
All this is the gov't protecting the manufacturers from competing against
their own acf't on the used market...very much like AMG and their letter to
CTMV asking them to not license HMMWV vehicles....not approved by the civil
authority for civilian use.
lar
PS...there's an outfit that will retrofit your Huey for just under
$1,000,000 for civilian use!!! New bigger engine, higher OGT hover power,
more tail rotor effectiveness, etc.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dick" <rertman@ix.netcom.com>
To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List" <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
Sent: Friday, April 15, 2005 8:47 PM
Subject: Re: [MV] Helicopter Sealed Bid at Surplus Property
> Joe, Lar, etc:
>
> If I recall correctly, the FAA (F*** All Aviators) also said the UH-1
> couldn't be flown as a civ aircraft because of a bearing in the tail
> rotor. One could replace the bearing with an FAA approved one.
> I don't recall which supplier provided the bearing, but the "civilian"
> version was the same as the MIL unit, right down to the part number,
> but minus the NSN and not packed per MIL spec packing.
>
> Dick
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joe Garrett" <j.garrett@verizon.net>
> To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List" <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
> Sent: 15 April, 2005 16:38
> Subject: Re: [MV] Helicopter Sealed Bid at Surplus Property
>
>
>> Larry,
>>
>> I don't dispute what you say here, as you are probably correct. The
>> military versions were probably never FAA approved.
>>
>> The Cayuse and the Kiowa were military versions of civilian aircraft,
>> though. The Kiowa is a Bell Jetranger and the Cayuse is an MD-500,
>> formerly the Hughes model 369.
>>
>> Joe Garrett> Subject: [MV] Helicopter Sealed Bid at Surplus Property
>> State of South Carolina has this up for sealed bids. This type OH-6A was
>> used during the Vietnam war. Wayne
>> =====================================
>>
>> Sorry to say, Wayne, that OH-6 can't fly under a civil license. Helo
>> manufacturers got smart after the Sikorskis and Bell's were retired
>> (CH-34's, OH-13's etc.)...they could be licensed civil.
>>
>> The Bell OH-58's, Hughes OH-6's and Bell UH-1's don't exist at the FAA
>> and
>> cannot be licensed...that way the manufacturers got them out of the civil
>> market and don't have to compete against their old warbirds being in the
>> market.
>>
>> They can only fly under "experimental" or "restricted"...very sad. I
>> guess
>> that's kinda what AmerGeneral tried to do with the HMMWV, huh?
>>
>> Lar
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