From: Ed Kirkley (mojoedd@bellsouth.net)
Date: Fri Apr 15 2005 - 20:32:16 PDT
Durn Lar, give me their number! We never charged even close to that to
bring any helicopter into civilian service!! The closest we ever came was
$425,000.00 for a UH-1N that a Texas oil guy wanted as a mobile bordello!!
We have all leather, one heck of a stereo system, a wet bar and other items
that I can't remember but that really cost! Heck by the time we got all the
extra sound proofing installed the bird could only carry a pilot, the oil
guy and two "Ladies"........Of course the booze was rather heavy..........
Also you do have to be licensed to fly a government helicopter or any other
government aircraft but it's a military or government license and you cannot
fly a civilian aircraft with it.........
Best Regards,
Ed
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Tighe" <larryradio@worldnet.att.net>
To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List" <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
Sent: Friday, April 15, 2005 23:10
Subject: Re: [MV] Helicopter Sealed Bid at Surplus Property
> Howdy again,
>
> Gov't operated acft....including local gov't....don't have to be FAA type
> accepted thus a police dept. can operate a Huey...or OH-6 or OH-58. Those
> acf't are different from their civil appearing versions....example, the
UH-1
> has the tail rotor on the opposite side of the vertical stabilizer than
the
> civil version.
>
> The mil tail rotor on an OH-6 is a different blade than the Hughes 369
> similar appearing civil cousin....they're interchangeable BUT...if you get
> caught with a mil tail rotor blade on a 369, you lose the type acceptance
> and can't pass the annual inspection!!!
>
> And, as I remember, you don't even need to be a licensed pilot to fly
gov't
> owned/operated acf't. It's a very different world.
>
> All this is the gov't protecting the manufacturers from competing against
> their own acf't on the used market...very much like AMG and their letter
to
> CTMV asking them to not license HMMWV vehicles....not approved by the
civil
> authority for civilian use.
>
> lar
>
> PS...there's an outfit that will retrofit your Huey for just under
> $1,000,000 for civilian use!!! New bigger engine, higher OGT hover power,
> more tail rotor effectiveness, etc.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dick" <rertman@ix.netcom.com>
> To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List" <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
> Sent: Friday, April 15, 2005 8:47 PM
> Subject: Re: [MV] Helicopter Sealed Bid at Surplus Property
>
>
> > Joe, Lar, etc:
> >
> > If I recall correctly, the FAA (F*** All Aviators) also said the UH-1
> > couldn't be flown as a civ aircraft because of a bearing in the tail
> > rotor. One could replace the bearing with an FAA approved one.
> > I don't recall which supplier provided the bearing, but the "civilian"
> > version was the same as the MIL unit, right down to the part number,
> > but minus the NSN and not packed per MIL spec packing.
> >
> > Dick
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Joe Garrett" <j.garrett@verizon.net>
> > To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List" <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
> > Sent: 15 April, 2005 16:38
> > Subject: Re: [MV] Helicopter Sealed Bid at Surplus Property
> >
> >
> >> Larry,
> >>
> >> I don't dispute what you say here, as you are probably correct. The
> >> military versions were probably never FAA approved.
> >>
> >> The Cayuse and the Kiowa were military versions of civilian aircraft,
> >> though. The Kiowa is a Bell Jetranger and the Cayuse is an MD-500,
> >> formerly the Hughes model 369.
> >>
> >> Joe Garrett> Subject: [MV] Helicopter Sealed Bid at Surplus Property
> >> State of South Carolina has this up for sealed bids. This type OH-6A
was
> >> used during the Vietnam war. Wayne
> >> =====================================
> >>
> >> Sorry to say, Wayne, that OH-6 can't fly under a civil license. Helo
> >> manufacturers got smart after the Sikorskis and Bell's were retired
> >> (CH-34's, OH-13's etc.)...they could be licensed civil.
> >>
> >> The Bell OH-58's, Hughes OH-6's and Bell UH-1's don't exist at the FAA
> >> and
> >> cannot be licensed...that way the manufacturers got them out of the
civil
> >> market and don't have to compete against their old warbirds being in
the
> >> market.
> >>
> >> They can only fly under "experimental" or "restricted"...very sad. I
> >> guess
> >> that's kinda what AmerGeneral tried to do with the HMMWV, huh?
> >>
> >> Lar
>
>
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