From: Sonny Heath (sonny@defuniak.com)
Date: Fri Apr 29 2005 - 19:31:54 PDT
I had the very same rig you mention here Jon and to prevent going broke real
fast I stretched my chassis and built an RV Toter out of mine. Now I pull a
thirty two foot gooseneck, pay about three hundred a year for full coverage
and about $46 a year for a tag, plus I have nineteen foot of living
quarters.
Sonny
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jon Shoop" <shoop19@brick.net>
To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List" <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
Sent: Friday, April 29, 2005 9:25 AM
Subject: Re: [MV] CDL's & MV's VERY LONG hit DELETE NOW
>I run into that......
>
> Freightliner and 53 foot drop deck to haul my own stuff to shows.
>
> No commerce, no profit, no bisiness..Hobby only.
>
> Have class A, pay a ton of insurance...beyond local plates....costs a
> fortune......but the scale guys see the cab and the not for hire, military
> vehicle collector stuff and wave me on through.......
>
> Not a bad deal...just expensive!
>
> Jon
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ryan Gill" <rmgill@mindspring.com>
> To: "Military Vehicles Mailing List" <mil-veh@mil-veh.org>
> Sent: Friday, April 29, 2005 1:16 AM
> Subject: Re: [MV] CDL's & MV's VERY LONG hit DELETE NOW
>
>
>> At 11:53 PM -0400 4/28/05, Bill Kealey wrote:
>>
>> >Anything larger, regardless of how it is
>> >registered, I believe must also include a CDL
>> >for the driver.
>>
>> NO. I have stated this before and I'll state it
>> again. Read the federal regulations. They do not
>> hinge on equipment for the final determination of
>> CDL requirements under federal law. They hinge on
>> use. Read the FMCSR 390.3 (f). Read the guidance.
>>
>> The manuals are good for the normal stuff, but
>> out vehicles are abnormal. They are
>> non-commercial on the basis of not being used for
>> commerce or for a business venture. Use a 5 ton
>> for moving something for a business and you're
>> commercial. Use a Deuce for moving logs and
>> you're commercial (and you'll likely need a CDL
>> or at least some of the red tape that goes along
>> with commercial, like Bjorn's DOT number). If I
>> get an over the road tractor and drive it with a
>> race car that I use that has no sponsorship on
>> it, I'm not commercial. That's per the federal
>> rules. I have to declare my prize money as normal
>> income if I win money at a race. The same goes
>> for horses. Have a farm as a business and go
>> beyond 150 miles, and you need a CDL because it's
>> a business and you're going beyond the normal
>> scope allowed by the Federal regs.
>>
>> Now, if I'm a snap on tool guy and I get a
>> 40,000lb motorhome and tow a 12,000 lb trailer
>> behind it, I need a Class A CDL regardless of it
>> being a motorhome. Because I'm engaging in a
>> business persuit. Even if I loose money at it, I
>> still have to have a CDL. Business or not is the
>> difference.
>>
>> Your states may allow for the loophole they may
>> not. North Carolina does. Some states don't
>> realize they hve the loophole, but the guys at
>> the Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration
>> have specifically clarified that the Federal
>> Requirements do NOT make a Military 5 ton
>> Commercial and require a CDL. They still class it
>> as a CMV based on size, but it's use puts it
>> outside their scope and they don't regulate you.
>> No DOT number, no CDL requirement, no medical
>> card, etc. If your state is more strict, then
>> they might. A state could require a CDL for a
>> Motorhome if they want, but the Feds will
>> discourage that. That state would also be asking
>> for problems if they tried to enforce such on out
>> of state drivers.
>> --
>> --
>> Ryan Gill rmgill@SPAMmindspring.com
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