From: Jim Winne (jwinne@nettally.com)
Date: Thu Apr 11 2002 - 20:29:13 PDT
Hi Bob,
About 10 years ago a B-24, Diamond Lil, and the B-29, Fifi, came through
Tallahassee and I got the chance to walk
through them. Is that 24 the one that they are re-doing? It was set up as
a passenger transport for dignitaries instead
of a bomber. It was in reasonable shape but you could see the wear and
tear of the air show circuit. The crew from the
Confederate Air Force was terriffic. We really enjoyed talking with them.
Tnx,
Jim (KB4IVH)
MVPA #17216
At 11:15 04/11/2002 -0400, Robert Barber wrote:
>Well as one who participated in the restoration and flying
>of both, I believe I can speak to the subject...
>
>The 17 restoration was easier since we started with a flyable
>aircraft. The plane was purchased from Globe aircraft and
>had been used as a fire bomber. It was a stripped out mess
>but was in tact as to airframe and engines ..
>
>It received a complete overhaul and retrofit of all the parts
>(Turrets and military parts ect) at Tom Reilly's Bombertown
>in Fla to its first restored condition .. It was severly dammaged
>in a landing accident at Beavers Falls PA. ( BTW I was not flying
>her that day, I had turned the Aircraft over to the other crew
>after the Detriot show )It was then rebuilt to the condition you
>see today..
>
>The 24 was a different story. It was acquired from an UK collector
>(Doug Arnold I believe) who had acquired it from the Indian Air force.
>It was the parts plane that they used to keep their other 24's going
>during the 60 and 70's. So when we got it, it was just the fuselage
>shell, the wings engines, nacelles and tail feathers all in separate
>pieces. There was not a single cable or Hyd line at all in her ..
>All the cockpit instruments, throttles, yokes and parts were missing.
>This plane was so bad that the Smithsonian had first dibs on it and turned
>it down as too rough and would be too difficult to restore as a on the
>ground static display !!
>
>4 1/2 years latter, 1.3 million dollars invested, 97 thousand man
>hours, and a ton of direct effort performed by Nate Mayo and Tom
>Reilly the plane flew again ..
>
>Don't get me wrong, I love and prefer the 17 over the 24 as to a
>number of reasons as a pilot and wrench turner, but the 24 was a
>100 times more of a monumental effort to get it airworthy. The list
>of people responsible for that happening is way too long and I'de
>miss to many.
>
>Next time you see the 24 duck under the bomb bay and have a quick
>look at the cables and hydrologic lines running theu it. And they are but
>a portion of the ones in the aircraft.. Then look at all the
>other parts like the turrets, all the military parts and peices many
>of which had to be fabricated. You will then just begin to get an
>inclination of how extensive the restoration effort was.
>
>If you get the chance go see them. At my last count, there is only
>12 flying 17's right now and the 24 is the only flying one until
>Kermit Weeks gets done re-doing Dave Taleches old one..
>
>
> Bob B
>
>
>>From: DDoyle9570@aol.com
>>To: <mil-veh@mil-veh.org> (Military Vehicles Mailing List)
>>Subject: Re: [MV] Collings Foundation B-17
>>Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 01:45:14 EDT
>>
>>Jess,
>>While I am not an expert in WWII anything, or aircraft of any period....I
>>will offer my opinion....
>>That 9-0-9 is one of the best restored (representations) military vehicle
>>anyone will see anywhere. (I say representation since the original 9-0-9 was
>>scrapped)
>>The Dragon and his Tail are impressive, but can't hold a candle to the B-17
>>(9-0-9)...ESPECIALLY when you consider that the Fortress was restored, then
>>almost destroyed in a mishap on the ground, and basically had to be restored
>>again!
>>
>>For those who think that HMV are only ground vehicles, check out the
>>STUDEBAKER engines on the Fortress, and isn't Colling's B-24 a FORD built
>>example?
>>
>>Enjoy these guys while you can.
>>
>>My .02,
>>David Doyle
>>
>>===Mil-Veh is a member-supported mailing list===
>>To unsubscribe, send e-mail to: <mil-veh-off@mil-veh.org>
>>To switch to the DIGEST mode, send e-mail to <mil-veh-digest@mil-veh.org>
>>To reach a human, contact <ack@mil-veh.org>
>
>
>
>
>_________________________________________________________________
>Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail.
>http://www.hotmail.com
>
>
>===Mil-Veh is a member-supported mailing list===
>To unsubscribe, send e-mail to: <mil-veh-off@mil-veh.org>
>To switch to the DIGEST mode, send e-mail to <mil-veh-digest@mil-veh.org>
>To reach a human, contact <ack@mil-veh.org>
This archive was generated by hypermail 2.1.4 : Tue May 21 2002 - 23:24:59 PDT